10 worst Hondas of all time" by Honda Tuning

PerformanceAutoworks · Post by **PerformanceAutoworks** » Sat Mar 03, 2012 10:21 am

I think you'll find they are 4wd

And whether or not it's fwd, rwd or 4wd is not really relevant to the whole 4ws issue.

When 4ws is working well as it should then it really is a great benefit to everyday drivability and stability. It's when the systems get old and sloppy that the issues start to arise and most owners can't be bothered to fix them properly.

On the limit, say on track for example, things can become a little interesting. 4ws systems can take away from the drivers need to know exactly what is going on with grip levels and in some circumstances 4ws sytems can become "confused" with high speed direction changes through chicanes for example.

Post by **Lude-dude** » Sat Mar 03, 2012 10:59 am

think its a bit of a narrow minded article tho, and sweeping statment no one will ever need 4ws

got me out of some tricky situations in the real world, and awesome at avoiding traffic jams

people marvel at me turning around in the tightest spaces, going the other way bitches!

KeithB · Post by **KeithB** » Sat Mar 03, 2012 12:18 pm

littlefeller wrote:the reason it is removed on skylines is there rwd, defeats the object of having rwd. you already have 4ws with high power rwd but fwd could be different, i dont know as i have never driven one, so im nutral

gtr is 4wd

Post by **lewd lude lover** » Sat Mar 03, 2012 1:19 pm

i do wonder how hard tight chicanes will be with ATTS, or something like the hammerhead would be a real tester. if your really commited to a corner it does not take kindly to sharp reversals in direction. you have to heave on the wheel to get the torque to flop over to the other side and you then have to catch it before it goes to far.

i have yet to drive it in a safe place hard so i cant honestly say.

it makes day to day things like roundabouts tremendous fun though

i have to agree in principal with LDS>ATTS>OEM LSD. the ATTS system is after all an OEM item. a good aftermarket lsd, nicely balanced to the car will im sure work wonders in the right hands.

this is also a heavy consideration. what and who's use is it going to be put to? in the real world 4ws is cool and it helps with slower speed movement. the other systems are specifically made to extend the other end of the operational spectrum. spanking, to a greater or lesser degree of course.

that we are able to discuss this variety is the

Post by **Donald** » Sat Mar 03, 2012 1:59 pm

lewd lude lover wrote:this is also a heavy consideration. what and who's use is it going to be put to? in the real world 4ws is cool and it helps with slower speed movement. the other systems are specifically made to extend the other end of the operational spectrum. spanking, to a greater or lesser degree of course.

that we are able to discuss this variety is the

Exactly. The roads around where I live I don't drive hard enough to exceed the limits of 4WS, so for me, ATTS would probably be wasted... if I'm understanding it's application correctly.

I can't really get away with spanking around Norwich city centre or the surrounding estates, and I don't track my car. The country roads are horrendous enough that I prefer not to rip around them mainly because every bump near the edge of the road feels like it's going to flip me into a ditch, and I don't fancy driving around in the middle of the road like a dickhead, scaring the jobby out of oncoming traffic, or worse... ploughing headfirst into someone.

I like 4WS, it makes parking on my road easier, is a pretty neat party trick and in general just makes driving a bit more interesting. The flip-side to all this though is that I've never driven with ATTS, so I can't really compare, just give a judgement based on what I know and how I drive.

nitin_s1 · Post by **nitin_s1** » Sat Mar 03, 2012 2:07 pm

You are all wrong. ATTS is the best because I have it.

Post by **Donald** » Sat Mar 03, 2012 2:22 pm

nitin_s1 wrote:You are all wrong. ATTS is the best because I have it.

There is no best

otherwise Honda would have given them all the same!

It kind of makes sense. 2.0 have just 2WS, not deemed a fast car or whatever. 2.2VTi have 4WS, bit faster, probably for the average person who likes to drive a bit quicker, but nothing too serious. Type S have ATTS, people buying the Type S are probably going to be driving much harder, whether on track or road.

I'm sure Honda just gave each car what it has based on the pice list and demographics they thought they'd be selling to.

EDIT: I think I made a mess of my point. Basically, why would you put ATTS in BB9?

nitin_s1 · Post by **nitin_s1** » Sat Mar 03, 2012 2:34 pm

Lol, I was being sarcastic

ATTS is cool but not the best invention. I just said its the best because I have it at the moment. If I had a LSD them I would have said LSD is the best.

Post by **RattyMcClelland** » Sat Mar 03, 2012 2:58 pm

ATTS FTW. It has a weight disadvantage but a Ratty advantage.

bennyboy · Post by **bennyboy** » Sat Mar 03, 2012 3:28 pm

RattyMcClelland wrote:...a Ratty advantage.

is that a ton and a half of stereo?

I jesteth...I actually very much approve of your Mcintosh!