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Post by Donald » Thu Jan 29, 2015 8:29 am

Sailor wrote:The 'fat or not' issue is clouded by statistics. Everyone goes on about BMI and forgets that by this scale, most decent rugby players would be classed obese. On this basis, my son is technically obese and I'm not. He's not fat: I'm carrying useless weight.
Point taken but that is a very different subset of people, I'm sure your 'obese' son would run rings around me. I'm at the other end of the scale with a BMI that is classed as underweight, couple with all the 'bad habits' I'm probably more at risk of ill health than your son I would imagine, yet we rarely hear campaigns about getting people into the healthy BMI range from the other end.

As a rule of thumb the BMI system is good IMO, but obviously it can't cater to everyone. I think it's when you have a BMI not classed as normal AND you are an excessive eater/lazy/whatever that you have to worry.

These statistics might cheer you all up, skip to the introduction :lol: http://www.euro.who.int/__data/assets/p ... 140426.pdf

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Post by lewd lude lover » Thu Jan 29, 2015 11:06 am

BMI is about as much use as a data point as octaine is to buying petrol imho.

It misleads people who dont understand it and offers false support.
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Post by Donald » Thu Jan 29, 2015 11:52 am

I will stand by what I've said, I still think its a good tool. Granted it should be taken with a pinch of salt and isn't an absolute measure, but in the right circumstances it's valid.

You've hit the nail on the head though, misleading to those that don't understand it. Although I'm not 100% sure what you're trying to say with the octane reference. Of course you don't buy petrol based purely on octane, you look at the blend and price. I think thats why theres a lot of hate for Tesco Momentum :lol: A combination of factors... just like BMI and obesity. As I alluded to in my last post, 'normal' BMI doesn't necessarily equal a good indicator of health. I don't consider rugby players or the like to be unhealthily overweight or obese (however of course a glance at BMI with no other data would suggest otherwise), because in that case it's not sensible to use their BMI as a health indicator. They're just big guys because they work at it and aren't just a sack of lard. Big difference. Perhaps I'm missing your point, maybe we're arguing the same case :lol:

Being mislead and taking false hope is the fault of the individual IMO. Although I imagine that will get some people's backs up.

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Post by lewd lude lover » Thu Jan 29, 2015 3:11 pm

Octane is a measure of a fuels ability to resist det under compression.

A very useful data point with many many applications. Using it to tell people how 'good' a fuel is when they are going to put it in a standard engine wth low compression and totally standard internals (99.99% of cars) is pointless, as I am sure you can see. What milfy shopping civic driving 28yr old mum needs to know the petrols ability to resist premature explosion under compression? She doesn't.

Octane can be altered in a number of ways, not all of them beneficial to the car.

On the other hand take calorific value. Ahh, now thats a measurement that would cut to the chase and drive out the waffle. If every fuel was measured in the amount of energy its actually going to release on combuston i think you would see quite a few fuel producers go out of business quite fast as people saw that they were getting drokk all for the same money.
A readng by which you can see the relative energy content per liter. This you could then use to decide which brand was best for your car. It would give people more control and more choice but you cant do that in a monopoly.

Thing is you can raise the octane of petrol by adding ethanol. Ethanol has a slightly higher resistance to det under compression for sure but it also has a lower calorific value than distilled petrol, useless for normal cars and is cheap...Are you with me.. You can water down the calorific value of the fuel, making it less efficient, while at the same time raisng the magic number that people use to ''know its the good stuff, look its says 99!''...

Momentum being a prime example. They buy in all the dregs from the majors and mix it together. See what the octane is and add ethanol till it comes up to spec. A false spec that rips people off daily.

Its the difference between a well distilled single malt and Bells or any other 'blend'. Or Smirnoff and tesco value voddy. Both will get you off your box but you'll feel worse the day after for the unfiltered tesco rotgut. Your engine is the same.


BMI is very much the same for me. It is a happy fun fun grade for everyone to fit into and takes no real account for the realities of people and bodies. Sure it has very useful applications when used in conjuction with other readings for an overview of general health. But like Octane it is too obscure/too subjective to be of real use to people in the real world.
If people want to live life by numbers then ok here is a nice little number for you. Like Octane though its not a real reading of your body. Just a quasi 'perfect' that doesn't exist.

I think if you jiggle when you wiggle you need to loose some. If you can feel your ribs when you stretch you need some pies.
I'm not saying its totally void or anything I just think its too unfocused to be useful.

We are arguing the same case ;)
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Post by Donald » Thu Jan 29, 2015 3:27 pm

Okay, so I was just not reading your post in the right light :lol: I'm done to death with hearing about calorific values! I'm sure you recall my mini-rant on E85. ;) I understand what octane, CV etc all do, I was just not connecting the dots to BMI :facepalm:

By the LLL scale I need to invest in several pies, it seems :lol:

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Post by mercutio » Thu Jan 29, 2015 5:32 pm

well you know my feelings :lol: problem is a lot of health proffesionals dont understand Bmi and just use the numbers i know i am overweight but i am never going to be light.
When Derek died i remember when i had to pick him up off the couch and put him on the floor to do cpr, i looked at him and thought right he is going to be heavy. He was the same height as me and was bigger.
I set myself for the weight and lifted i remember thinking this isnt right he is far too light, but thats the exact problem with Bmi i assumed he weighed close to what i weigh or maybe more he must have been closer to about 13-14 stone.
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Post by prelude91 » Thu Jan 29, 2015 6:00 pm

5ft. 10 1/2in. me, 65 kilo's, bring on the pies.

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Post by lewd lude lover » Thu Jan 29, 2015 6:37 pm

So a bar of soap of muscle to a no5 football of fat... I think you get the better deal with the pies imho :?
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