Lude Generation

I have been reading into the spec and general history of the nsx. Turns out to be quite interesting indeed. (New Sportscar eXperimental)
In a nutshell and to get to my point in question.

"NSX-R (JDM)
While the NSX always was intended to be a world-class sports car, engineers had made some compromises in order to strike a suitable balance between raw performance and daily driveability. For those NSX customers seeking a no-compromise racing experience, Honda decided in 1992 to produce a version of the NSX specifically modified for superior on-track performance at the expense of customary creature comforts. Thus, the NSX Type R (or NSX-R) was born. Honda chose to use its moniker of Type-R to designate the NSX-R's race-oriented design."

So that explains the type r nsx.

but later honda decided to do this


"NSX-S, S-Zero (JDM)
Along with the engine displacement increase in 1997, Japan exclusively received the NSX type S (NSX-S) and NSX type S Zero (NSX-S-Zero), weighing in at 1,320 kg (2,910 lb) and 1,280 kg (2,820 lb) respectively. Both had a stiffer suspension than the normal NSX. S-Zero was developed in a track day car that could be driven so that it had a 3.2L engine, rather than just 3.0L.

Unlike the standard Type S, the S-Zero does not offer Air Conditioning, navigation, and stereo system as an option. The suspension is stiffer than the standard Type S by using the NA1 Type R (1992 to 1995) suspension but retaining the Type S's larger rear sway bar. Changes were also made to the interior's manual transmission boot shifter, replacing the original material from leather to mesh."

so in my understanding the type s is a beefed up lesser equipped lighter version of the type-r.



So in the nsx's case the s is the pinnacle and in the prelude the s was also at cutting edge technology with Active Torque Transfer System (ATTS), and a different abs system (Active Control ABS system)


My question and issue is with Honda and their naming.
Why are the type s variants of civics and accords a lesser spec of the type r?

My other gripe is peoples lesser understanding.. Hey Mr. nice car, oh it’s a type s! why didn’t you get a type r?

Rant over.

Just tell them to learn the alphabet - S supersedes R!

honda-hardy wrote:so in my understanding the type s is a beefed up lesser equipped lighter version of the type-r.

Is it though? Having read that, all it says it the S has larger displacement and stiffer suspension than the R. No mention of it having less luxuries.

It was the S-Zero that had all the extras removed and an even larger engine.

What was the weight and engine size of the R?

honda-hardy wrote:My other gripe is peoples lesser understanding.. Hey Mr. nice car, oh it’s a type s! why didn’t you get a type r?

The thing about most other Honda's is that the R is the only sporty version. A standard Civic or Accord? Yawn! Where as the likes of the Prelude and S2000 are actual sports cars so don't need an R version. While they aren't as full on as the Type-R's at least we get performance plus some luxury.

Very well put

Yes, the type R Civics and Accords are souped up shopping cars/saloons, whereas the Prelude is actually a sports car.

Not much in this, taking into account different drivers

Vtecmec wrote:Yes, the type R Civics and Accords are souped up shopping cars/saloons, whereas the Prelude is actually a "sporty" car.

The Type S was almost type r with luxuries and more daily driven focused powerband, the s zero was a type r but with luxuries.

In performance terms NSX, Type s, early Type R, S-zero, later Type R.

Remember the Type r came 1st, then the other got better engines then they revised the Type r at the end of it's life with the later engine and actual downforce unseen on a road car.

Ok, ok, we heard you the first time...!