Lude Generation

Merlin wrote:260+ depending on what dyno is used. It can vary quite a lot.

177 if you take down Stonehouse

JEBB4 wrote:Cheers for the input guys,

@Merlin, WOW iv scrolled through your build before but never actually read through the parts list, some serious tack on that thing
You too have quite the collection @NafemanNathan,

Do you think it would be possible to make 250 without high cop pistons and rods? (Still serious head work etc obviously)
I definitely want to put the KS balance shaft removal kit on but ive recently had the block apart tho fit NPR piston rings and ACL race series big end shells and would like to leave them allone..

I'd say the high comp pistons would get you closer to your target mark than the headwork would, although both obviously go hand in hand. A7 (Type-S/ATR Pistons) can see you to around the 240bhp mark, so with good headwork you'll be able to see about 250 I reckon. Unfortunately I don't see you getting near 250 with standard 10.6:1 pistons.

imho speak to rich at www.performanceautoworks.co.uk and know without a shadow of a doubt that you are on the right track.

JEBB4 wrote:@Merlin, WOW iv scrolled through your build before but never actually read through the parts list, some serious tack on that thing

I did the easy thing and bought the engine whole and already finished (saving myself a heap of cash) and just added bits to complement the engine.

Unfortunately these parts are mighty expensive and with labour on top will see you in for £5, 6, 7K.

Merlin wrote:Unfortunately these parts are mighty expensive and with labour on top will see you in for £5, 6, 7K.

Although ebay, sweet talking, this forum and 3-4 years of your life are your friend

Of course There is the cheaper longer route.

@GOONIESnvrSAYdie

HEAD
atr/type s cams £80-120
head mild polish £200-500

BOTTOM END
atr/type s pistons £80-120
new piston rings £50
new head gasket £20-80

INLET
atr inlet mani £100-150
inlet port match to h22 head (unless a7) £20-80
bigger tb (no more than 68mm) £80-250
inlet mani port matched to tb £80-120
good air intake (AEM, Type S, CDA etc.) £100-200

EXHAUST
Fuji/Mugen manifold £200-350
decat pipe £20-50
2.75/3" piping cat back exhaust £300-600 (depending if you choose mild steel or stainless)

FUEL & ECU
hondata & p28/p72 £350-450
uprated 255 fuel pump £40

TUNING
remap (& on vpower) £300

general lightening of the car FREE
labour to do some of the work depends how much you can do yourself or need to pay someone


total around £2k minimum - with no labour included

this list doesn't include any other gaskets and seals you may need along the way.
id say that would get you 250bhp im sure the Lude gods will correct any mistakes of mine lol
any more than 250bhp and you will need uprated fuel injectors, cams, cam gears, valve springs, retainers, arp studs, much better clutch blah blah large amounts of cash!!

NafemanNathan wrote:Although ebay, sweet talking, this forum and 3-4 years of your life are your friend

this!!!!

I was all na fanboi until I got bent over by a supercharger. Now I have a very stupidly quick car with a ticking time bomb attached to it.

I don't think it is possible to hit the 250 region with OEM cams. All of the builds I have seen with that kind of power use Skunk2 stage 2 Pro's or similar. With that they will need new springs and retainers and probably new valves too.

There are some other bits that give power gains such as valve jobs. The head I have has a multi angle valve job.

true, but Benny came close with 244bhp
http://www.ludegeneration.co.uk/profile ... -t505.html
maybe with the 3" exhaust, bigger tb & port match you may get close...? your the voice of experience though Merlin