Clutch rogered? Help!

Post by **vanzep** » Wed Aug 14, 2013 12:14 pm

If you do need to change the clutch then cost of atr clutch kit from Honda is £135 plus vat. ATR clutch kit will also fit your lude and @Merlin recently fitted one to his 5th gen.
A lot of folk use amsoil mtf to help deal with 5th gear crunch but i see you had the fluid changed not that long ago so i dont know if you want to go down that route again.

Post by **Doggo** » Mon Aug 26, 2013 9:52 pm

Guys,

Please accept an apology? I've not really been on here in a couple of weeks as I've been occupied with some life stuff. Really sorry I haven't responded to anyone after you've replied.

Not good form.

Hopefully I can get you all a beer at some 'lude event in future.

Now I better read the replies...

and Thanks.

Jez

Post by **Doggo** » Mon Aug 26, 2013 9:54 pm

mercutio wrote:have you thought about changing the clutch fluid ?

No. But now you mention it, I do wonder when it was last done. This stuff does take on water and go off doesn't it?

Cheers

Post by **Doggo** » Mon Aug 26, 2013 10:00 pm

4thgenphil wrote:struggling to get reverse and 5th, sounds mightily like a bent selector fork in the gearbox to be honest common on early atr's, maybe because they get more abuse then old man 5ths.

i maybe, and i hope i am wrong, it could be the clutch, either a loose spring on the friction plate stopping the clutch being fully engaged/disengaged ut i would have thought you would have felt it, i did when mine did this.

i'd be suprised if the clutch went again so quickly unless they used naff parts previously, but if the car has done less than 5ok and has had a clutch change to me it means one of two things, a; it was beat on pretty hard by the previous owner which could have resulted in scenario one or, b; it was replaced to try to rectify an issue in the past which also leads me to scenario one

or the clutch wasnt fitted properly 7k mies ago

Hmmm. Cheers, Phil. A thoughtful (and provoking) analysis. I'm guessing a bent selector fork might be a hideous cost due to gearbox-out goodness?

On the loose spring thing... it does seem.... inconsistent... sometimes. Not sure what I would feel.

Looking at this and some other responses I'm starting to think maybe I should begin with the cheaper/simpler stuff and work my way up. Maybe.

Thanks again

Post by **Doggo** » Mon Aug 26, 2013 10:02 pm

W1ggz wrote:Or c the previous owner was a woman and didn't understand you need to lift your foot off the clutch pedal??

*sigh*

Post by **Doggo** » Mon Aug 26, 2013 10:03 pm

Rikmister wrote:If it crunches into 5th and refusing to go into gear it could be the syncro inside the box. It's unlikely the clutch and if you had that changed then they probs changed the brake fluid and gear oil.

Tell me it ain't so, Rick?

Thanks for your thoughts.

Post by **Doggo** » Mon Aug 26, 2013 10:04 pm

Donald wrote:Ideal time to upgrade to the ATR box and well come back to this topic in a year or so to discuss why it crunches

kris_aka_edu · Post by **kris_aka_edu** » Mon Aug 26, 2013 10:05 pm

Previous experience I've had problems with the clutch slave cylinder. Popped a new one on and it worked fine. That's only if it gets to the point of not going in gear at all.

As for the crunching mine does it all the time in 3rd only. Sometimes on cold weather have to double clutch to get it into 1st. How do you change the gear box oil/fluid?

Post by **Doggo** » Mon Aug 26, 2013 10:09 pm

wurlycorner wrote:Going off just these symptoms;
Problems going into 1st, reverse and 5th, never liked any fast gear changes and long biting point... it would be worth trying bleeding the clutch cylinder first, as a simple/quick attempt to fix it. Not much effort and nothing lost if it doesn't help. (Might as well bleed through all new fluid for the small amount it takes).

If that doesn't fix it and the clutch was only changed 7k miles ago and you have the receipt, I'd take it back to the place that did it and suggest to them that they might like to take a look..?

Could be any of the things everyone has suggested, but fingers crossed not that serious

Thanks, Iain.

I'm starting to think, given yours, Merc's and other's comments, that the way to go is to do this first anyway. Like you say, not much to lose and my expectation that it's worse could be unfounded.

I think the round trip to the replacement clutch garage is maybe £180 in fuel, and it's over a year, so I've kind of written that one off. In principle you're right, but in practice I lack the faith to think it's a good risk. Call me a defeatist

Cheers

Post by **Doggo** » Mon Aug 26, 2013 10:12 pm

vanzep wrote:If you do need to change the clutch then cost of atr clutch kit from Honda is £135 plus vat. ATR clutch kit will also fit your lude and @Merlin recently fitted one to his 5th gen.
A lot of folk use amsoil mtf to help deal with 5th gear crunch but i see you had the fluid changed not that long ago so i dont know if you want to go down that route again.

Thanks

It does sound like the ATR kit is the way to go, if it comes to that.

Yep, I think having just changed the transmission fluid I'll leave it for now. Having said that, if other action fixes everything else I may reconsider...

Cheers