Lude Generation

Hi guys.
First of all, Yes I know, there is lots and lots about this on the internet.. Thats the problem.
I just don't know anymore.
My tuner says one thing and my engine builder another.
I just wan't an advice on what turbo I should get for my build H22 time attack lude.

Please no comments like "get the biggest one" or "just slap a PT6262" on..


My goal, Have a drivable track car with about 450 WHP .
important notes:
-don't want too much lag
-gear and rpm controlled boost boost is possible
-limited to a T3 exhaust flange


My tuner says :
GTX3076R w/.82ar is way too small and will cause backflow.
GTX3582R w/.82ar is old fashioned and a tad too small
Precision 6262 is not reliable enough and a tad too small.
he suggests a Borg warner T3 .83 but its bloody expensive.. can't afford the Ballbearing version...

My engine builder says the GTX3076R w/.82ar is the perfect turbo.


The turbo specialist says the GTX3076R w/.82ar will do the trick aswell..

With that my engine does flow like mad... Getting 405 NM out of just 0.7 Bar or 10 psi is very effecient.
It can easy handle 25-30 psi and with a small turbo the T3 just won't cope with the amount of air.
But I don't want that much power just a drivable and reliable setup.

My tuner says the others underestimate the capabilities of my setup and he wants to go BIG , tackling the high power and spooling time issues by gear and rpm controlled boost.

Any tuners or wizzkids here who can calculate something!? I can't get a good outcome with garrets calculator as i'm missing the correct numbers..


nice read:


http://blog.perrinperformance.com/garre ... ro-part-2/




For those of you who don't know my setup:

Engine:
• H22A Darton Sleeves
• Arias pistions (9,5:1)
• Custom forged conrods
• ARP mainstuds
• ARP headstuds
• reconditioned and mildly ported head
• Ferrera valves
• Supertech valvesprings and dishes
• kaizenspeed balance shaft removal kit
• Skunk2 intake manifold ported to 70mm
• Skunk2 70mm throttle body
• Skunk2 camplug
• B&M baffled catch can with AN10 lines from valve cover
• All New bearings
• H23 pulley without powersteering loop(balanced 10.000rpm)
• H23 manual tensioner conversion

Transmission:
• Extreme low milage M2J4 (prelude f20) Gearbox
• ACT prolite flywheel (balanced 10.000rpm)
• LSD Racing Dragger clutch kit / 6 puck sprung disc (balanced 10.000rpm)
• Quaife LSD
• Custom SS clutch line straight from master to slave cylinder

Turbo setup:
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• Tial MV-R 44mm wastegate
• Chasebay/MAC electronic boost controller
• Turbonetics raptor BOV
• NEUKIN Equal length RAM horn.
• big universal intercooler
• 3" custom downpipe + full 3"exhaust, de-cat, single muffler (by 313 Performance)
• PTP turbo black blanket
• Chasebay oil feed lines and custom –AN10 return line

Fuel system:
• Injector dynamics ID1000 injectors
• AEM high volume fuel rail
• AEM fuel pressure regulator
• AN6 lines and fittings
• inline fuel pressure guage
• Trick Flow TFX inline high flow fuel filter
• Walbro 255lph fuel pump

Ignition/Engine Management
• OBD1 ignition +P28 (Hopelijk Bekerom tunes binnenkort)
• Tunerview II
• Innovate LC-1 widebandcontroller and O2 sensor
• MSD Distributor Cap
• MSD Spark Plug Wires
• MSD Blaster Coil
• MSD 6AL multispark system

I have no experience with (aftermarket) turbo charging an engine or tuning, so bear that in mind. However...

It is pretty obvious from that list that the intake/engine/exhaust will flow absolutely jobby-loads of air and you have tons and tons of fuel available, so it would seem entirely sensible that it will need (or can take) a big turbo.

If your tuner is confident that he can combat the lag with proper turbo control (wastegate/dump valve etc.) and you trust him, then personally I would take him at his word and go with that - you can always tune the power back, if it's making too much.

For me that suggests either saving up to go with the Borg warner T3 .83, or the next best compromise from that list sounds like the GTX3582R w/.82ar , which he only says is 'a tad too small'.

What does he mean by the GTX3582R w/.82ar being 'old fashioned'?

Thanx.. I'm leaning towards the gt35 aswell. The BW really is too much. Must say the gtx35 is about the same price..
Don't know why he says its old, maybe as there is new tecknology available. He probably gets a commission when he sells me the BW

thanx for the opinion!

i think wurly is spot on i can see where the tuner is going with his statement as he is probably trying to future proof your build where the gt35 may be on its limit straight away

but now compairing the turbine inducer diameters the borg warner is wayyyy to big.
I need a responsive turbo on the track and not a big snale that only spools above 4500 rpm..

GT30 indc 60mm
GT35 indc 68mm
BWS362 indc 76mm

GTX3576R is my choice at the moment..

have you thought about the holset hx35 ment to spool like a gt30 but flows like a gt35, plus there cheap as chips can pick them up for around £500 new.

Thanx for the comments .
My tuner says the BW is future proof .
Still think a gtx3576 is best for my initial goal of about 400WHP but he says I can have a workable power in the low gears and rpm and jobby loads more in the high gear high rpm range if I need it.
So its gonna be the Borg Warner S362
Its gonna take some tuning but gonna have some switches om my dash that will change my car from a monster to the scariest thing you have ever seen