Spoon P13 Chip Fitting Issues!

[Donald]

Isn't a socket just a few pounds? That, a bit of patience for postage time and listening to the advice given (e.g. get a socket) would have saved you a whole lot of money and aggro.

If you have the option then I'd get a socket & get that fitted by a TV/Electronics expert initially.

you really need skills to do this and it really needs a socket cant stress that enough

I'd advise soldering in a Socket rather than the chip direct into the ECU for a couple of reasons

1. You can always change back to the old chip with ease if needed
2. Sockets are cheap and if you balls one up soldering it in it's not the end of the world

I certainly wouldnt be risking it and getting an expert to do it even more so with your ecu, p13's are easy enough to come by but a p13 with tcs isnt.

[vanzep]

sorry i missed this - yes Andy (Bluejackhustler) is the man to look at your ecu.
here is 35 pages on my misfortune when i had my chip fitted. A couple of tracks got broken when removing the old chip.
Good luck getting it fixed
http://www.ludegeneration.co.uk/honda-p ... t1750.html

p.s u should have bought your chip from Rob (nucleustylzlude)

[CrunchyAdams82]

[quote="Donald"]Isn't a socket just a few pounds? That, a bit of patience for postage time and listening to the advice given (e.g. get a socket) would have saved you a whole lot of money and aggro.

Perhaps, or perhaps not.

Firstly, hindsight is a wonderful thing.

Secondly, does that make somebody in my position feel any better about it? Probably not.

Thirdly, I believe the problem to be where I desoldered the chip in the first instance. I think at least one of the points got damaged then.

Therefore, it wouldn't matter whether I fit another chip, a socket, or anything else in there for that matter; it is still not going to make a true connection.

It may, however, be repairable. That remains to be seen. First off, I need to get the car back on the road. That will be happening on Friday due to the temporary replacement ECU turning up.

Over the coming months, I can send the tics ECU off to be looked at, as well as being on the constant lookout for a replacement unit if that turns out to be necessary. I do not consider the loss of traction control to be permanent.

Yes, as it transpired, attempting the procedure myself has ended up costing me money & a bit of aggro. But if you never try, you'll never know. And you live and learn don't you. However, I'll still be alive and well at the end of the month, and the car will be running.

Don't worry, this is not upsetting me in any way, and I'll have it up to optimum operating spec over the next few months. After all, this is part of what I was trying to achieve by changing the chip in the first place. It's my project car, and I'll get it to where it needs to be in the end. There will be some wins, and there will be some fails. This one was a fail, but here are some wins coming up;

Tomorrow - Manifold, downpipe, and straight through Powerflow pipe will still be fitted by the garage.
Friday - Replacement ECU will be delivered to the garage (with socket already fitted) ready for the spoon copy chip to be fitted into, & driven away from there.
Friday - New induction kit will have arrived, ready to be fitted.
Saturday - Fresh front & rear bumpers will be fitted.
Saturday - Replacement tachometer cluster will be fitted, so I can put the dash back together & for the first time since buying the car see how fast I'm going.
Sunday - I will t-cut & wax the entire car. Although ultimately it will need a full respray, this will make it look a hell of a lot better from a few metres away.

So by the end of the weekend, hopefully it will be looking better, and running at least 208bhp, or thereabouts.

Next month; 17" Alloys, new dizzy cap, rotary arm, Magnecor kv85 ignition leads, NGK iridium plugs, oil change, run BG44K through the fuel system, new fuel filter, service throttle body, and Spoon gear knob. Other than the gearknob, this should help it run a bit smoother too.

So minus the small setback, all in all, happy days.

Is there any reason I should get a chip from Rob? If it turns out I need another one of those too, I may need to contact him.

[CrunchyAdams82]

Anyway, I forgot to mention, there's a genuinely great community of Luders on here. So I get the feeling that when I do hit problems along the way, help, advice, and parts will be only a message away. which is reassuring.

And for every mistake I make, or problem I come across, I learn something new.

Also, I am assuming the end result will be all the more satisfying if I've had to overcome some hurdles to get to it. Not that I welcome problems..

Anyway, thanks for your help guys, I really appreciate it.

Totally picked the right owners club to join!

Every ting gonna be airee

[littlefeller]

sorry to hear your woes, everything is easy in hindsight, pad/contact lifting is a real possability and highly likely, this kind of damage is reparable, the damaged area is simply bridged. if you leave the snipped leads in place theres no risk of this but it is fiddly and some may think only half a job (but if it works-hey). told you so isnt constructive though, yeh take the pee by all means, i often do but not at the misfurtune of others as for robs chip, if memory serves me correctly is a copy of the original spoon chip, not the ones you find on ebay, but a map that has been around a long time and past down from one lude guru to the next, its a good map, not daft or potentually damaging like cheaper copies, not that robs chip is expensive - quite the opposite. a few years ago most lude forum members had one fitted i had one (came with the socket too oops sorry).

[Dbo]

i like your attitude m8 and one big list to do in such a short timespan
now the bug has bitten you do know that you never will actually finish

only thing is though in your plans: why do you think your lude will be running 208bhp? have you some engine modds already? some serious things have to be done to get 208 and nothing on your list will get you anywhere near that
and before they all start no dyno sheet= no proof

[bristol_bb4]

now the bug has bitten you do

seems the way with these bloody cars mate i bought my 700 quider as a cheap run about back when it looked like this just over a year ago



seriously, seriously dread to think how much ill have spent once PAW has put the atr engine in it

[CrunchyAdams82]

Haha very funny littlefeller!

Well I may look into one of Robs chips then. What chip do you run now, if not one of his?

Was only thinking Dbo, if my engine is 200bhp stock, I would hope to gain at least 8bhp from manifold, straight through non-cat pipe, ECU chip, & perhaps induction kit. Would that not sound plausible from those modifications?

And yeah, I appreciate I'll probo never finish.. I guess I'll just end up ultimately moving on to the next project in a year or two. Perhaps a type S.

I'll concentrate on this one first eh?

[CrunchyAdams82]

Lol, yeah that's what mine looks like now Bristol - apart from not so shiny!

We'll wait and see what it looks like a year from now..

[littlefeller]

back to std chip, i only fitted it to see if it worked in an auto (yes it does) i put back the std chip to test another devise i built (a delimiter with vtec in 1st ) never got around to refitting, ted (tramroad) ended up with it. i dont think decat really works unless its a blown/forced aspiration engine (its a misconseption) std jdm motor is around 197bhp. personaly i dont agree with induction kits, but as these cars are old now supose it doesnt really matter anymore (how can somthing flow more air yet trap as much crap).
easyest route to more poke - no2. its the cheapest per bang and easyest to fit, but does sometimes blow your motor, but then so does reving gazzillions . if you gain somewhere theres usually a loss somewhere else, even if it is just in the wallet