4G uprated brakes

rich-kez · Post by **rich-kez** » Wed Apr 11, 2012 10:48 pm

so then guys and gals! im currently running standard 2.2 discs and calipers on my 4G but i think there coming to the end of there life now, the car is no stranger to track days im just wondering what brakes you all go for for the 4G? i know there all price dependant but if you could hit me up with various selection that would be great

mercutio · Post by **mercutio** » Wed Apr 11, 2012 10:49 pm

atr brakes is the easiest upgrade

Post by **Merlin** » Thu Apr 12, 2012 9:28 am

Off the top of my head you could go down the route of:

Honda ATR brakes
Honda Legend brakes
Honda NSX brakes
Mitsubishi Evo brakes with custom adapters
Full big brake kit for the Prelude like K-Sport, Wilwood, HiSpec etc...

JayJay · Post by **JayJay** » Thu Apr 12, 2012 9:30 am

The lude brakes, when in *good working order* are actually very good.

But if you do still want to upgrade, as far as I'm aware the Honda OEM upgradse (ATR, Legend) aren't that much of an upgrade? Not sure about the NSX.

And the big brake kits will need at least 17" wheels usually

judderod · Post by **judderod** » Thu Apr 12, 2012 10:52 am

In case you keep them standard...

I've been through a few sets of standard blueprint discs and pads over the years. They were crap. 2 sets warped, and the rears always needed looking at to get through the MOT because they'd rusted. I always thought it was because the rear calipers were in need of a refurb.

Last year I put Delphi discs and pads on all round. I ran a brake test at the MOT station last weekend and this year they'll pass without needing any work. The rears have hardly rusted, the handbrake managed to lock the wheels (which was always a struggle on the Blueprints). Best of all the nearside/offside brake balance is pretty much exact.

Duo · Post by **Duo** » Thu Apr 12, 2012 12:20 pm

For keeping them stock there are some good options, a full caliper refurb works wonders and isn't much money and can be a DIY job, plus you can paint them whatever colour you want.

I personally have refurbed the calipers myself and painted them red, went with a full set of black diamond drilled and grooved disks with black diamond's own predator pads. The difference over stock was chalk and cheese, so much stopping power was available and heat made them bite harder. I've no idea how they'd go on a track session with constant heat but I'm no light footed driver and they took serious abouse and came back for more every time.

If you want something that likes and in fact needs heat to bed them in have a look at carbotech pads, they are mean and the bedding in process for "street" use left the disks on a VR4 Legnum glowing orange and apparently the "track" bedding in process is more agressive

Dixcel are worth a look too, they were used by Dixon Cheng in his Time Attack winning ITR, can't say much better than that as an endorsement, they also make Stagea disks so I'll be putting them on what is essentially a 280bhp Skyline estate that weighs in at ~1600kg ish.

As you are on here too it might be worth hitting Dino up with a PM, his 270 odd bhp lude is no stranger to the track and see what he uses and recommends too

Post by **Merlin** » Thu Apr 12, 2012 12:39 pm

Like the others have said there is still a bit of room to work with using the standard Lude calipers.

Discs
Honda OEM, EBC, Brembo etc..

Front Pads
Hawk HP+, Ferodo DS2500, Ferodo DS3000

Rear Pads
Open for debate

Fluid
Castrol Brake Fluid Dot 4, Motul RBF 600, Castrol React SRF Racing Brake Fluid (probably overkill)

Hoses
Goodridge or HEL

I use these combinations with good results.

SiR Si · Post by **SiR Si** » Thu Apr 12, 2012 1:45 pm

Its worth noting that the ATR brake set-up is not a straight swap on a 4th gen as the wheels are 4 stud hubs. The callipers and carriers are direct fit though.

Now correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't actually think ATR disks will fit on a 4th gen even if re-drilled....

Dino · Post by **Dino** » Thu Apr 12, 2012 3:05 pm

They wont buddy as hub size on Atr discs is larger than the 4th gens but can be machined to fit.
EP3 discs are the same hub size as 4g but disc is thinner

rich-kez · Post by **rich-kez** » Fri Apr 13, 2012 9:14 pm

nice one for the great feedback guys! Im sure my discs warped over the winter, under heavy braking the car shudders so i would rather do it once and do it properly if you get me not have my discs warping again when the weather gets a tad cold lol im running 17s atm so should be plenty of room for a good size disc and caliper, uprated calipers are a must as there is no point having bigger discs on standard calipers imho