4ws step out?

[bennyboy]

^^^no, it just tries to fling you into oncoming traffic.

I'm sorry LLL, I know you're not a fan of 4WS and that's fine, but I don't agree with that at all.
I've never found that to be the case and it may well give the OP the wrong impression of the system, to start slating it as the cause of issues when we don't even know whether the geo is out etc etc.

[ChrisR]

if you accelerate around a corner it can cause the step out as it changes from turning against to turning with the front wheels causing it to step out as the 4ws catches up with itself

Thats prop what it was then because i was sitting at lights and then gave it the shoe so i prop hit the crossover point.

Well least I know now its not just me can now maybe start putting more faith in the car at higher speeds/hard driving knowing its not going to kill me with the 4ws system

but I want to know how many of yous have 100% faith in it when driving hard?

Me
What the others have said is largely true, but I can honestly say I've driven 100k miles with a 4WS system and IT has never freaked me out, and that's knowing how to push my car thankyouverymuch.
The only time the car has stepped out has been when I have made it.
The 4WS system does require that the car is well setup/maintained though, as it will show anything up - ie cheap tyres, bad geometry, failed bushes or droplinks etc, so I'd check all this over first.
As the others have said, the crossover can be a little strange when you're not expecting it or new to the car, but it's perfectly safe, especially at road speeds, and frankly at much higher. Ask any number of the guys that regularly track 4WS equipped cars. And a don't mean £500 hacks, I mean the well maintained ones

HTH

I'll check all that at the weekend but the car went through MOT a month ago and our MOT tests over here in Northern Ireland are abit more tight then over in mainland and they didn't say anything about bushes and all so I think they are fine but I'll double check them over the weekend

Cheers for the help guys!

[bennyboy]

That's good then
Please don't get me wrong, I'm not Mr diehard-wont-hear-a-bad-word-said-about-4WS-guy Any system has it's + and - and fans and enemies, but the 4WS really does show up any iffy stuff, and quite often gets the blame for it
Incidentally I don't mean you LLL!, just in general.
If you planted your foot hard of course, that's another issue - I planted my foot hard in my old Mustang and I DID end up in the opposite lane as @lewd lude lover suggests! But that was down to a 4.7l V8, RWD, live rear axle, cart springs and as it happened, shagged rear dampers!

[bennyboy]

Oh and just to add, there's a big difference between 'stepping out', as in the back end 'coming around' normally and actually losing traction - one CAN sometimes feel like the other with 4WS too

[Drax]

but I want to know how many of yous have 100% faith in it when driving hard?

Me
What the others have said is largely true, but I can honestly say I've driven 100k miles with a 4WS system and IT has never freaked me out, and that's knowing how to push my car thankyouverymuch.
The only time the car has stepped out has been when I have made it.
The 4WS system does require that the car is well setup/maintained though, as it will show anything up - ie cheap tyres, bad geometry, failed bushes or droplinks etc, so I'd check all this over first.
As the others have said, the crossover can be a little strange when you're not expecting it or new to the car, but it's perfectly safe, especially at road speeds, and frankly at much higher. Ask any number of the guys that regularly track 4WS equipped cars. And a don't mean £500 hacks, I mean the well maintained ones

HTH

absolutely true to me as well, ive had the lude with 4WS working since I got it around 4 years ago, driven it in every weather possible, hard and gently, and ive done about 6/7 track days in it, driving it damn hard every time at all 3 tracks - never once had it step out or been a problem

[ChrisR]

With the prelude its the 1st time ive come across a 4ws system on a car, so im just a bit iffy with it atm plus the honda is my 2nd car so it doesnt get used as much so need some more bonding time with it to fully get to grips with it Atm the minute I have more faith in my Audi a4 throwing it round corners then I do with the honda but thats because I haven't fully learnt the tipping point of it yet from when it will stick and when it will bite you in the rear end :L

[indigolemon]

Tyres and tyre pressures make a huge difference, the Lude is quite well balanced, and the back does a lot more of the work, so make sure you've got good rubber all round, and the pressures are good (I run 32psi in all tyres).

[Confused]

Driving the Prelude with 4WS is such a different experience to almost any other car out there.

You get such more feedback and movement from the rear of the car - if you're not driving it often, or swapping between cars, then it can take a little while to get used to it after switching between cars.

I loved the 4WS on the Prelude when I owned it

[lewd lude lover]

Tyres and tyre pressures make a huge difference, the Lude is quite well balanced, and the back does a lot more of the work, so make sure you've got good rubber all round, and the pressures are good (I run 32psi in all tyres).

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@benny: I agree with you. I agree with merc as well. the system is very good but it has foibles. When I had mine, and the car was in good shape, I found that it was great. then I drove an atts type s and never looked back. It does make the back end come round fast in slow traffic if you are not prepared for it and it does get confused from time to time. I'm not slating it I'm just saying that its prob not an issue persay but just 4WS doing its thing.

[bennyboy]

Tyres and tyre pressures make a huge difference, the Lude is quite well balanced, and the back does a lot more of the work, so make sure you've got good rubber all round, and the pressures are good (I run 32psi in all tyres).

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@benny: I agree with you. I agree with merc as well. the system is very good but it has foibles. When I had mine, and the car was in good shape, I found that it was great. then I drove an atts type s and never looked back. It does make the back end come round fast in slow traffic if you are not prepared for it and it does get confused from time to time. I'm not slating it I'm just saying that its prob not an issue persay but just 4WS doing its thing.

Furry.
In hindsight, maybe I should have typed blame rather than slate when I quoted you, too!

In other news - Do you (anyone?) find it odd that people tend to compare 4Wqueer and shATTS ? IMO, I would have thought the nearest non-ATTS equiv would be an LSD? Not trying to start a barny or anything, just asking