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FAO those who attended Dyno Day
- white rabbit
- Posts: 66
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- My Generation: 5G
- Location: quedgeley
Re: FAO those who attended Dyno Day
Hmm- dyno lottery strikes again!
Quite a variation in transmission losses it seems...
Im no expert but I always thought the power at the wheels (ATW) was the only measurable quantity on any dyno with the flywheel power derived from that?
Ive always considered Transmission losses to be a relatively constant 'percentage' of total engine power...As engine power increases then so do the losses relatively proportionally.
'True' WHP/0.85 gives a decent (if not scientific) approximation of flywheel power for your average FWD car
Example: stock uk 4g h22a2- (~183 FWhp in the book) ~ 150-155atw
Owner then goes for an ATR engine swap (A8?) retaining original box with some mild bolt-ons resulting in 220fwhp so 185-190atw
The point im poorly trying to highlight is just because you increase engine power by say 50HP you don't suddenly incur a huge transmission loss as if you'd replaced the gearbox oil with treacle.....
Does this sound about right to you guys? Apologies for thinking out loud!!
Quite a variation in transmission losses it seems...
Im no expert but I always thought the power at the wheels (ATW) was the only measurable quantity on any dyno with the flywheel power derived from that?
Ive always considered Transmission losses to be a relatively constant 'percentage' of total engine power...As engine power increases then so do the losses relatively proportionally.
'True' WHP/0.85 gives a decent (if not scientific) approximation of flywheel power for your average FWD car
Example: stock uk 4g h22a2- (~183 FWhp in the book) ~ 150-155atw
Owner then goes for an ATR engine swap (A8?) retaining original box with some mild bolt-ons resulting in 220fwhp so 185-190atw
The point im poorly trying to highlight is just because you increase engine power by say 50HP you don't suddenly incur a huge transmission loss as if you'd replaced the gearbox oil with treacle.....
Does this sound about right to you guys? Apologies for thinking out loud!!
95 UKDM BB1 VTEC (retired)
2019 mk7.5 Golf GTD
2000 UKDM CW Integra R
2019 mk7.5 Golf GTD
2000 UKDM CW Integra R
What you doing up in my neck of the woods?A1ex wrote:Cool. I'll see if they can get it on next friday 'on the way' to Newcastle![]()
My 5th Gen: Project Cheapskate
Pushki wrote:I change my pants every 3000 miles or every 6 months. Whichever comes first.
Manifold is being repaired today and booked on the rollers at powerstation Friday to see if some of those horses and the mid range torque are going to come back 
Conviced Rhi its 'on the way' to Newcastle

Conviced Rhi its 'on the way' to Newcastle

PAW rebuilt 98 prelude 228bhp & 171lb/ft R.I.P.
PAW rebuilt 01 ATR 238bhp & 164lb/ft sold
Monte Carlo Blue 02 S2K
PAW rebuilt 01 ATR 238bhp & 164lb/ft sold
Monte Carlo Blue 02 S2K

- NafemanNathan
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£40 to take the manifold off, reweld all 4 primaries and refit, not bad. The welding is pretty good, not perfect but for £40NafemanNathan wrote:Glad you decided to get it repaired yourself budDo you know how much it's going to cost? And make sure you pop up some pics of the repair job afterwards

Ill get some pics up later
PAW rebuilt 98 prelude 228bhp & 171lb/ft R.I.P.
PAW rebuilt 01 ATR 238bhp & 164lb/ft sold
Monte Carlo Blue 02 S2K
PAW rebuilt 01 ATR 238bhp & 164lb/ft sold
Monte Carlo Blue 02 S2K

That's actually quite good. I've paid £30 to have a new flange welded to the centre pipe which I'd imagine is less work or easier.A1ex wrote:£40 to take the manifold off, reweld all 4 primaries and refit, not bad. The welding is pretty good, not perfect but for £40NafemanNathan wrote:Glad you decided to get it repaired yourself budDo you know how much it's going to cost? And make sure you pop up some pics of the repair job afterwards
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Ill get some pics up later
My 5th Gen: Project Cheapskate
Pushki wrote:I change my pants every 3000 miles or every 6 months. Whichever comes first.