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ATTENTION ALL 5TH GEAR GRINDERS!!!

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Has Amsoil MTF cured your 5th gear grinding issues?

Yes it has!
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It has improved it a lot, but not completely cured it.
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25%
It has improved slightly.
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No votes
No, it's just as bad as it was.
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17%
It's made it worse!
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8%
*Another brand of Transmission Oil has helped/cured the problem.
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25%
 
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Post by Froidas » Tue Mar 27, 2012 9:32 pm

Are you sure oil is the answer? Maybe for a short time it may seem better...
As I understood from thread name it is a common thing, so maybe it's that 5th gear hub problem? I may be wrong :) But it is a known problem for 5th gen Prelude and ATR boxes. Only the latest (maybe 2001-2002) gearboxes had improved 5th gear hub, part number 23626-P16-317 (~100$ in USA). All earlier are known to fail eventually:
23626-P16-306
23626-P16-307
23626-P16-316

I saw several discussions on USA forums about gear grinding in general. People was discussing about different brand oils, witch helps more. Then came couple guys, who builds gearboxes. One from Synchrotech, other form don't remember where. And explained, that if there's grinding, you need to change synchros or other parts. Oil just may cover the problem for a little while. It's completely logical for me and I think it's true :) Yes, Synchrotec sell parts, but I don't think it was their advertisement, because they really consult and help people in various forums, as far as I saw. So they should talk true, to my mind.

One more thing to add from my knowledge (don't know how much true), from the same thread I think, o maybe other, that oil can cause problems to Honda gearboxes. Don't use too think one, that really can cause grinding especially then oil is cold. I myself use Honda MTF-3 all the time.

Hope this helps, if this thread is about this problem at all :)
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Post by Gayno » Tue Mar 27, 2012 9:34 pm

Am I the only one that reads the title as "5th GEN Grinders"???

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Post by indigolemon » Tue Mar 27, 2012 11:00 pm

Gayno wrote:Am I the only one that reads the title as "5th GEN Grinders"???

Grinder being the iPhone app for gay men to find other gay men?!
And you know this how? :lol: Suddenly the Facebook post about possibly getting an iPhone looks even more suspect
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Post by mercutio » Tue Mar 27, 2012 11:01 pm

because he secretly wants a 5g
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Post by NafemanNathan » Tue Mar 27, 2012 11:05 pm

Has a mod reset the pole at all? I had to revote and the votes are less than they were :?
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Post by indigolemon » Tue Mar 27, 2012 11:08 pm

It will have reset when you edited the options I think - I certainly haven't touched it
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Post by Gayno » Tue Mar 27, 2012 11:13 pm

indigolemon wrote:
Gayno wrote:Am I the only one that reads the title as "5th GEN Grinders"???

Grinder being the iPhone app for gay men to find other gay men?!
And you know this how? :lol: Suddenly the Facebook post about possibly getting an iPhone looks even more suspect
It was on Top Gear, the episode where Stepthen Fry was the star!
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Post by NafemanNathan » Tue Mar 27, 2012 11:14 pm

Froidas wrote:Are you sure oil is the answer? Maybe for a short time it may seem better...
As I understood from thread name it is a common thing, so maybe it's that 5th gear hub problem? I may be wrong :) But it is a known problem for 5th gen Prelude and ATR boxes. Only the latest (maybe 2001-2002) gearboxes had improved 5th gear hub, part number 23626-P16-317 (~100$ in USA). All earlier are known to fail eventually:
23626-P16-306
23626-P16-307
23626-P16-316

I saw several discussions on USA forums about gear grinding in general. People was discussing about different brand oils, witch helps more. Then came couple guys, who builds gearboxes. One from Synchrotech, other form don't remember where. And explained, that if there's grinding, you need to change synchros or other parts. Oil just may cover the problem for a little while. It's completely logical for me and I think it's true :) Yes, Synchrotec sell parts, but I don't think it was their advertisement, because they really consult and help people in various forums, as far as I saw. So they should talk true, to my mind.

One more thing to add from my knowledge (don't know how much true), from the same thread I think, o maybe other, that oil can cause problems to Honda gearboxes. Don't use too think one, that really can cause grinding especially then oil is cold. I myself use Honda MTF-3 all the time.

Hope this helps, if this thread is about this problem at all :)
You may well be right. It is generally the syncromesh that causes the grinding, and it may well be naff/unsuitable oils that cause it in the first place. But for an oil to instantly sort the issue may suggest it wasn't necessarily bad enough to warrant a rebuild (@ £600+).

I can't tell you whether the grinding ever returns after using MTF, just know mine is all good now :)
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Post by NafemanNathan » Tue Mar 27, 2012 11:15 pm

indigolemon wrote:It will have reset when you edited the options I think - I certainly haven't touched it
Hmmm I did wonder that. Is that something Kawa can sort? Maybe have a reset button, but otherwise allow the existing votes to remain if the OP is edited?
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Post by indigolemon » Tue Mar 27, 2012 11:19 pm

Will have a look at the poll code tomorrow if work is quiet :lol:
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