Price to tax a lude?

[wurlycorner]

Yep, definitely. Bring it on!
Petrol goes up, but you're not forking out the £200 quid a year in vehicle license (or being ripped off the extra £30 a year in 'admin' charges on top of that if you have to go for the 6 monthly option)

[bb1boy]

Na, sod that, I'd rather pay £20 a month to keep my car on the road. Petrol in this country is far too expensive as it is. Or would people pay different amounts for petrol depending on how much their car drinks/how old it is/how big or small it is? I don't think it would work.

[Confused]

Erm, if you choose to buy a newer, more fuel efficient car, you pay less for Vehicle Excise Duty (it's not been Road Tax since 1937) - you'd also pay less tax if it was lumped in with fuel, as you're using less fuel. If you use more fuel, you pay more tax. It's really rather simple, and much easier (and cheaper) than the bureaucracy required to deal with differing VED bands, the huge cost it must be to send out renewal notices/new tax discs every month, and by placing it on fuel, will ensure that fewer people can get away without paying for it.

And, by buying VED every 6 months, you're paying 10% more than you need to - the sooner you can get yourself purchasing your VED annually and not every 6 months, you'll be saving yourself money.

[wurlycorner]

People already do pay different amounts for how much their car drinks/how old/how big/how small it is - they're inextricably and entirely fairly linked;
Bigger, older cars that are less efficient and cause more damage to the environment, do use more petrol, so in turn the owner pays out more over the year.

Once you take vehicle licensing out and put it onto fuel it also makes it even fairer in other ways because it fairly distributes the maintenance/upkeep of the road to how much the owner uses the roads. e.g.
At the moment say Person A has 2 cars on the road but does about 8k a year (total) they pay over £400 a year vehicle licensing for that priviledge. Meanwhile person B has one car, pays £200 a year but does 20k a year. Person B is using the roads considerably more (and hence requiring more roads and more maintenance of them) than Person A, but Person A is the one paying more for the upkeep of the roads than Person B. That gets fairly resolved if vehicle licensing is split onto fuel.
There's also far less administration of the system, it removes avoidance problems like people not paying vehicle duty by using foreign registered cars so they drive around as 'visitors' when they are actually permanently resident here, removes enforcement costs etc etc so it also saves the government (us) masses in running costs.
It also means the owner pays out little by little (like DD!) instead of having to stump up a wodge in one go.



EDIT:
Doh! confused posted while I was writing that, basically saying the same thing tbh

[bb1boy]

I see what you guys are saying, but Pay As You Go Vehicle Excise Duty is only great if everyone drives super efficient micro cars 2 miles a year.. but like me at the moment, I'm paying £250 a year 'road tax' and averaging 15,000 miles at about 22mpg ..any mathletes want to work out how much road tax I'm currently paying per litre of fuel?
My sister pays £20 a year road tax, averages 10,000 miles at about 46mpg - so what does she pay tax/litre? Then what is a fair price-hike for fuel to include VED? There will come a point where it is only cost effective to drive under X amount of miles per year.

[wurlycorner]

Then what is a fair price-hike for fuel to include VED?

Ah yes, well that's a fair question! I have no idea on the answer, either In theory though, it could be a very very small increase?
Just to work on the examples above though (which are imaginary/pretty strong ends of the spectrum);
If worked on Person A above that would be around 30p/ltr (very rough and based on 28mpg)
If worked on using Person B that would be 6p/ltr (again very rough and based on 28mpg).
So if fuel went up by the Person A example then person A would be cost neutral but Person B would pay a horrendous amount more each year.
However, if fuel went up by Person B's example then Person B would be cost neutral but Person A would save £322 a year.

At the point where the system went over, there would always be people that saw themselves as winners/losers. But even at that point, people who drive least miles/have most efficient cars will always be the ones that benefit most and in the long run, that would then always continue.

There will come a point where it is only cost effective to drive under X amount of miles per year

Indeed, but that will be the case regardless though, because fuel (which is the mileage dependant part anyway) will only continue to go up...

[bb1boy]

I just hate the way that the driver is penalised over and above everyone else because we are easy tax targets.

The cost of driving is getting ridiculous, I'm going to dig for oil in my back garden then look on eBay for a DIY refinery to make my own damn fuel.

[Nik_L]

My 92 4th gen 2.2 vtec is £128 for 6 months

You sure??

£123.75 is it not??

[lewd lude lover]

Vehicle Excise Duty (it's not been Road Tax since 1937)

If I'v a fist up my arse I dont care which colour it is. Black or white dont matter, I have a fist up my arse is the part that makes the impression on me Looks like tax, sounds like tax and tastes like tax so it cant be tax, look the other way quick!

[GJMHONDA2012]

My 92 4th gen 2.2 vtec is £128 for 6 months

You sure??

£123.75 is it not??

yeah sorry it is £123.75 just checked lol