Shell v power

Post by **Donald** » Sun Apr 14, 2013 8:01 pm

I still don't get the debate on this?

It's been researched and proven that all of these things occur?

Fair enough if you have your own opinion, but don't ignore fact that's been provided by the very manufacturer of your engines, that would be foolish at best.

IMHO of course.

judderod · Post by **judderod** » Sun Apr 14, 2013 10:38 pm

k then xx

Post by **Doggo** » Sun Apr 14, 2013 10:45 pm

Donald, is JD just suggesting that when Honda say that some engines are not designed for it they may just be being very conservative, so in the real world problems will only occur after very considerable mileage/time?

That's a question, not an argument, as I know bugger all about it!

Post by **lewd lude lover** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 12:21 am

I am totally with donald here.

no matter what or why they are telling you this will happen it is happening to line the pockets of government and big business and screw every last drop of blood out of you before you get cancer and or heart disease and start really making the coroprations real money.

It's just another way to water down the enjoyment of life and liberty. to say that another 5% of what is basically a cutting agent wont make any real difference is what every cocaine dealer would love his customers to say. Can you really hear yourself saying it and not wanting to hit your head against a wall?

The funny thing is all the virgin forest being cut down to plant sugar cane etc to supply the demand for ethanol. Funny as drokk.

89 UKDM BA4 4WS (resto job!) · Post by **wurlycorner** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 2:58 pm

Doggo wrote:Donald, is JD just suggesting that when Honda say that some engines are not designed for it they may just be being very conservative, so in the real world problems will only occur after very considerable mileage/time?

I think there is some validity in this.

I remember unleaded being introduced and 4-star being withdrawn and the tales of doom about the vast numbers of everyday/common cars that would be damaged because their valve seats were not compatible were vastly over-blown.

There will be some cars that definitely won't like E10, but there will also be plenty that aren't officially certified as ok to run E10 because manufacturers are loathe to approve them (there's no way they'd bother going to the expense of back-testing 100% them, even if they could) but that actually turn out to run E10 ok.

(Incidentally, I think 2 of my cars I have lurking in a garage/barn still have 100% 4-star in their fuel systems

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It's interesting that on this one though, the UK government is trying to slow the introduction, whereas with UL introduction/4-star withdrawl, they were pushing it in asap.

nb: The large upscaling of Ethanol use has other environmental draw-backs, as the source of the fuel it takes away from the food chain...

Post by **Donald** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 3:30 pm

That's a fair point, but personally I would lean towards being overly cautious. This makes a good read: http://www.nmma.org/assets/cabinets/Cab ... report.pdf

wurlycorner wrote:The large upscaling of Ethanol use has other environmental draw-backs, as the source of the fuel it takes away from the food chain...

I think within a few more years though this will not be so much of an issue... just going to quote myself:

Donald wrote:Hmm, not long after a company in the US has fired up their plant that uses GM bacteria to produce ethanol...

See: http://www.google.co.uk/patents/US6699696

89 UKDM BA4 4WS (resto job!) · Post by **wurlycorner** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 4:09 pm

Donald wrote:That's a fair point, but personally I would lean towards being overly cautious. This makes a good read: http://www.nmma.org/assets/cabinets/Cab ... report.pdf

Oh yeah I agree - I'll avoid it as long as I can too (till the proletariat has had time to prove in the real world whether it is a problem or not!)

wurlycorner wrote:The large upscaling of Ethanol use has other environmental draw-backs, as the source of the fuel takes away from the food chain...

Donald wrote: I think within a few more years though this will not be so much of an issue... just going to quote myself:

Hmm, not long after a company in the US has fired up their plant that uses GM bacteria to produce ethanol...

Ah yes but this isn't just about direct effect on capacity (i.e. whether new production capacity directly aimed at supplying into the fuel trade comes on line) but also price - if the sale price into fuel is better than into food, current food suppliers will switch to sell into fuel, which will push up the food prices to bring them back etc. which will get passed onto food consumers (or just result in worse direct shortages to poorer countries).

I not claiming I know at all how that will actually play out in practise (I really don't know enough about it), I'm just aware there is a link between the 2 and hence a risk. I also know that's why some of the bulk diesel fuel purchasers in this country have shied away from switching to bio-diesel so far.

Post by **Doggo** » Mon Apr 15, 2013 7:00 pm

wurlycorner wrote:
Donald wrote:That's a fair point, but personally I would lean towards being overly cautious. This makes a good read: http://www.nmma.org/assets/cabinets/Cab ... report.pdf
Oh yeah I agree - I'll avoid it as long as I can too (till the proletariat has had time to prove in the real world whether it is a problem or not!)

Me too in practice, chaps!

Shiny · Post by **Shiny** » Thu Apr 18, 2013 12:40 pm

http://www.shell.co.uk/gbr/products-ser ... -plus.html

judderod · Post by **judderod** » Thu Apr 18, 2013 1:10 pm

^ Nice. I'll bet there's at least another 1-2 ponies with that fuel, probably a bit more with aggressive tuning.