Ukraine

YouTube · Post by **Sailor** » Fri Mar 07, 2014 1:09 am

Crimea is a bit of a special case, at least at the moment. For a start:
1. It's been part of Ukraine for only 60 years, so has always felt connected to Russia (apart from the Tatars and a few others). Over half of the population are still considered 'ethnic Russians'.
2. It holds affection for an awful lot of people in Russia itself, particularly through their summer holidays.
3. Putin is concerned that Russia will lose its naval bases before the leases run out in 2042 (without them, the presence on the Black Sea is limited).
4. It's had a higher degree of autonomy than other regions or oblasts.

Crimea sets a dangerous precedent.
If the Russian strategy is to reassert its power over ex-USSR states, isolating a country as important as Ukraine is key. This is best done by unsettling the Russian speaking-and-sympathising populations in the east and south. If Crimea can secede, why not the Donbass? This gets you coal and shale gas. Zaporhizhzya gets you world class electricity generation technology. Mikholayiv and Kherson get you shipyards. And by the time you've incorporated Odesa, Ukraine is landlocked. Oh, and you have the oil reserves under the Black Sea. Ukraine is left with less than half of its current industrial capacity and some fracking sites on the Polish border. Simples.

89 UKDM BA4 4WS (resto job!) · Post by **wurlycorner** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 12:04 pm

This is what happens when boys play toy soldiers with big boys equipment

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-28362872

Post by **lewd lude lover** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 12:41 pm

yay, another round of bullet tag

Post by **rob quilter** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 1:43 pm

War with Russia anyone?

Post by **4thgenphil** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 3:28 pm

rob quilter wrote:War with Russia anyone?

Shh, thisbis how rumours start, rumours can become real

Post by **lewd lude lover** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 4:23 pm

I mean look at Al qaeda. Someone comes up with an idea in a CIA office 25 years ago, someone else tell's someone else and look what can happen

Post by **lewd lude lover** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 7:13 pm

'Homegrown'

Do a search on controlled opposition and tell me isis is homegrown.

Ukrain is just another intercene conflict to keep the bullet mills in business and the politicians in coffee.

The world is run on oh so profitable war. It will keep flairing up as each one makes the people at the top a hell of a lot of money. Nothing different to the last 400 years of the market economy. Bullets go out of date dontyerknow

Post by **Donald** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 10:00 pm

Well on a sort of related note, the mrs is convinced my barber is trying to radicalise me

I only got invited to a celebratory iftar at the end of the month

mercutio · Post by **mercutio** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 10:08 pm

yeah your jihad fodder

mercutio · Post by **mercutio** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 10:12 pm

there is always a way to deal with extremists it normally involves what you do once you kill or capture them no matter who they worship they all prick up their ears