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I am now an intergenerational Luder.

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Re: I am now an intergenerational Luder.

Post by BlackShadow » Thu Jun 19, 2014 4:39 pm

I started to get my ass in gear.. literally. I had my swaybar installed (I feel dirty saying I had something installed for me, but I had to work, and with the '99 project going, I have next to no inclination to work on this car...yet). I also had two new tires and a set of end links put on. $574 in parts and labour. I still had to get an alignment, badly. Visually I could see the right rear wheel was cocked/toe in, and that tire was scrubbed bare.

I whisked her down to the alignment shop at 9am. I took it to a shop that came highly recommended. The first thing the guy said was "if it needs parts, we have to do that before we can do the alignment." That didn't sit well with me. It sounded to me as though they were going to try to hose me. They also didn't seem happy that I brought in my own tires, instead of buying from them.

They told me it would be half an hour, so I decided to wait for it. A few minutes later the guy comes out with a scrap of paper saying I needed a new left side inner tie rod, $57 + labour. Fair enough, go for it. Problem: it wouldn't be there until 1pm. Fine.. I go home and await the call.

3:30pm, with the phone in my hand to call them to see wtf is going on with my car, the phone rings. Here's where things get weird...

"The alignment is all done. Its perfect... ...except for the right rear wheel."

Why?

"We, uh, couldn't align that one wheel... a bushing on an arm is bad."

An arm? What arm?

"One of the arms back there. But the good news is we can get a new one for $140. The only problem is we can't get it until tomorrow."

I'm coming to get the car now.

"ooookay.. we can fix it you know.."

Forget it, I'll be there in 10 minutes. Have the bill and the car ready.


I was really annoyed that on a $1300 car, I was spending $721 on 2 tires, a sway bar, end links, a tie rod, labour + an alignment... and now they wanted even more! What really ground my gears was that this pinball wizard of Honda alignments didn't check all four wheels before quoting prices. When he came to me with the tie rod, I assumed (as would anyone else), that he had done an inspection of the whole car, not that he was doing one wheel at a time. Who does that?

When I get to the shop, he gives me a print out showing that the alignment was pretty ****ed before... ...wait... ...where is the after?

"We couldn't do the alignment"

Ah, I must have misunderstood, when you said you did the alignment and it was all good except for that one wheel...the one I told you to watch out for.

I don't think they were expecting me to walk away. Suddenly their attitude changed, to trying to butter me up into staying. The problem is if you lie to me (or I suspect a lie), cheat me, or **** me around it's over. I'd install caterpillar tracks on it before I'd go back to that shop. The cherry on the sundae was when I got back to the car and found they tried to keep the left rear tire, which was still good. They gave me a hard time about taking it with me. Pricks.

The next day I took it to another shop nearby. They were up front with me, and did a full inspection before starting. Thy called me up and said the right rear toe arm was bad. They did the other three wheels, and I was on my way.

Before: This is probably why this car was such a hand full in the winter. The back end kept wanting to come around on me. The car would yaw to the right, so I would steer more and more left to counteract it, then it would snap left and want to go sideways.
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After: Gimp...
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I have a set of megan racing toe arms on the way. Hopefully they will be here soon so I can get the last wheel done, and finally drive the car again.


I installed this:
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I also wired up my half mast antenna. It works like a charm. The only problem is, I have to find something to lubricate the antenna. It sounds awfully laboured all the time. Suggestions welcome.
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1996 Prelude SR (sold)
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Post by wurlycorner » Thu Jun 19, 2014 6:10 pm

Silicone grease would be my suggestion.
Good work getting the alignment sorted.

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Re: I am now an intergenerational Luder.

Post by BlackShadow » Wed Jul 16, 2014 1:41 am

I finally got the bitch put back together. New tires, new swaybar, new endlinks, new, megan toe arms (so glad they weren't pink), a perfect alignment... several hundred dollars later, I'm back on the road.

Yay.

It seems, while the toe arms were being installed, something went awry with my exhaust. I knew it had a bad leak, the flexpipe was virtually non-existent, and the exhaust manifold was fractured across two ports, but still, it was kinda sorta decent. Driving home from the shop, it sounded like a ferocious beast. The sound of an exhaust system that is completely opened wide...

No big deal. It still has gobs of power, the exhaust smell isn't as bad, and no CEL...yet.

I decided since the exhaust that is on it looks terrible, I would pick up what I have on the '99.

Here it is:

OBX twin loop.
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It sounds good, and the quality is fantastic. I'll probably do the same set up on this car as I have on the '99. Hytech/PLM manifold, 2.5", mandrel bends, high flow cat, and a vibrant resonator...or two.

None of that would bolt up very well to the H23A1 that is currently residing under the hood, so [surprise plot twist] [dun][dun][dun] I picked this up last night:

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=D=D
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For $800 (430 quid), I got a '00 H23A VTEC, complete, with a set of Type-S/Euro-R cams + gears, complete Type-S valvetrain (brand new LMAs), harnesses, F20B dizzy, head bolts, valves, ECU, and, exhaust manifold. The guy is being posted to a base out on the west coast, so whatever he could find in his garage, he threw in my truck.

Score.


Now to swap things around and get this ready for installation. I can't wait to join the blue top brigade.
1997 Prelude Base (wrecked)
1996 Prelude SR (sold)
1994 Subaru SVX LSi (Sold)

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1990 Nissan 300ZX (weee!)
2011 Ford CVPI (daily)
1957 Cadillac Coupe de Ville

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Post by wurlycorner » Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:04 am

Very, very nice :mrgreen: !!!

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Post by mart609 » Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:23 am

thats pretty cool 8-)

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Re: I am now an intergenerational Luder.

Post by BlackShadow » Sat Sep 20, 2014 9:17 pm

^ Thank you!



So it's been a while...


I was hearing a lot of "brake" noise. It was the worst I have ever heard to be honest. It wasn't just when the brakes were applied either! It was constant. I figured it was time to change out the brakes.

As usual, nothing is ever straight forward in my life. I had to do the brakes in the driveway, which is like a ski slope, because the 5th gen is in the garage. I start in on the job and find that everything is pretty much seized solid, and of course, Honda decides to put the fasteners in areas an impact gun will never reach. It took almost an hour to get the right rear caliper free of the car. Bolt remover socket, long wrench + manually hammering on it. I find that both rear calipers are seized, and the piston doesn't look too healthy. The right rear caliper wasn't releasing the rotor at al, so the pads had worn do the rivets. It was so bad, in fact, that with the parking brake released, I had to hammer and pry the caliper off of the rotor.

Looking at the calipers, it was obvious they had seen better days, and being older and more cantankerous than I was the last time I did brakes, I said **** this crap! I marched over to partsource and bought four new calipers. The old parking brake linkages were completely...solid.. I couldn't discern one part from another, there was so much corrosion. I soaked them down with WD40, and started to work, removing the cotter and clevis pin. The former came out pretty easy, but the clevis was corroded solid. I was worried about damaging the end that belongs to the car, because new cables are not only expensive, but one side is discontinued. For over a hour (each side) I worked those little pins back and forth, trying to break them free. By the end, they were pretty badly chewed up, and couldn't be used again. I took a sanding disc to the clevis and all the mating surfaces to get rid of any corrosion.

Here is what I was left with at the end of the first day:
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I had ordered all new hardware from Honda, which was an absolute treat to work with. Everything went back together like butter. The parking brake linkage looks like brand new now, and has been slathered with tons of anti-seize.

The rear rotors are Honda OEM. $110 a piece, and they had to be specially ordered from Quebec. The front rotors are Brembo (not bought for any particular reason, other than they were cheaper than OEM, and they were available). Seriously, WTF is going on with these cars? I want to order four rotors, but Brembo only makes the fronts (puzzling, since cars have had 4 wheel brakes since 1915), and no one else but Honda seems to have the rears. Even the fronts, they said, they would have to specially order.

Day two: The caliper mounting hardware arrived I got the rear calipers and the parking brake linkage installed (sorry, no pics of that.) The pads went in all nice as they should. Here are the fronts:
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Notice anything missing?

Right! The pads! It seems that when I bought the pads, last year, they gave me VTEC front pads, instead of ones for an SR.

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Okay, it was really friggin hot that day, and I had done the rears, and jacked up the front, expecting everything to go together nicely. Brand new calipers an hardware... plus its front brakes.. easy as pie right? I thought I was having a stroke when I tried to get those pads into the bracket.

"What the...?"

"Now why wont...?" *struggles*

"Oh you have got to be kidding me!"

"OH for Christ sake!!!!"


Of course, it was around 4 in the afternoon. So I was going to have to do without pads till the next morning.


The conclusion of the worlds longest brake job is as such:

I got the correct front pads, and installed them. Bled out the system (PITA with 2 jack stands on a hill). I accidentally ripped the ground wire free of my half mast antenna switch while adjusting the parking brake, so that was acting a bit funny till I figured out what was wrong. Now my brakes are nice and quiet. The calipers are new, and pretty, and, I should be set for another decade or so.


In my normal fashion, I scoped out, and pounced on some super ultra mega rare items for the car, courtesy of a group buy on this site.


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I have something else, but no pictures just yet... :twisted:
1997 Prelude Base (wrecked)
1996 Prelude SR (sold)
1994 Subaru SVX LSi (Sold)

Current:
1999 Prelude Base (S-Spec build in progress)
1990 Nissan 300ZX (weee!)
2011 Ford CVPI (daily)
1957 Cadillac Coupe de Ville

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Post by jjmartin349571 » Sat Sep 20, 2014 11:03 pm

Those gold callipers look awesome 8-) Your car is getting some serious love!

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Post by wurlycorner » Sun Sep 21, 2014 12:01 am

Can't believe how quickly that spoiler got out to you!!!

Also really surprised that the calipers were so badly seized, considering how mint all the other suspension etc stuff looks, in comparison to what we get over here!
But yep, nice work getting all that sorted out - Merlin isn't the only one with gold brakes on a lude now :lol:

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Post by lucas » Sun Sep 21, 2014 1:43 am

Glad you're happy with it dude :)
now hurry up and get it painted and fitted ;)

*note: I'm not sure if you know, the hardware supplied are for a direct fit with the OEM spoiler holes.. so no drilling involved ;)

wurlycorner wrote:Can't believe how quickly that spoiler got out to you!!!
8-)

They we all picked up at the exact same time by parcel-force.. they never fail to amaze me with international postage!
This was only going to out side Toronto, just above new york, so not that far to travel.. but still :shock:
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Post by Donald » Sun Sep 21, 2014 7:58 am

:lol: "just above New York"

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