Advice delivering 7.5ton on a SORN. Trade plates? Help.

mercutio · Post by **mercutio** » Sat Nov 29, 2014 9:12 pm

Honestly buddy if I had the time and the money I would buy an old coach and fit it out so I could park the car and the bike on it and just drive off.
Modern life isn't all its cracked up to be it shouldn't be as hard as it is or as stressful stuff just ties you down

YouTube · Post by **Sailor** » Sun Nov 30, 2014 12:46 am

Not just modern life. In Tolstoy's The Death of Ivan Ilych (1886), our man gets to the end of his life having done everything society expected of him - only to realise it wasn't necessarily right.

Post by **lewd lude lover** » Sun Nov 30, 2014 1:41 am

That is still modern life imho

89 UKDM BA4 4WS (resto job!) · Post by **wurlycorner** » Sun Nov 30, 2014 10:09 am

What is?

Post by **lewd lude lover** » Sun Nov 30, 2014 10:27 am

1886 is. 1886 is still considerably closer to our version of modern life than every human ever born before that date would have experienced. Planes, cars, electricity, all on the way or in development. I would say the late 18th century was the reason we now have such a cultural and social issue to contend with. A little more thought about people rather than the acrual of wealth might have seen us in a very different place by now.

imho

Post by **4thgenphil** » Sun Nov 30, 2014 3:39 pm

I suppose the romans invaded half of europe to spread love and kindness, as the mongolians and vikings cast there net wide across the globe just to be nice. The crusades were all about cuddles aswell!

Its human, if not animal instinct. The biggest and smartest male gets all the bitches. Money and power =more bitches. Greed isn't just human nature its an instinct imho.

We look after the less fortunate more now than ever in history, taxes to pay for some sort of health care and education. As a nation send millions to europe to help them out as well as to africa to assist them.

This venture you're going out on, will you be donating the profits to an orphanage or be accruing more wealth so you can have a better life in the long run?

mercutio · Post by **mercutio** » Sun Nov 30, 2014 4:19 pm

there has always been charity and people looking after poorer people there are just too many people on the planet right now that's why it looks more charitable.
The big problem is where is your charity going the same people are starving now as when I was a kid. The money that was raised when I was a kid to buy vehicles so that doctors or medical professionals could get to where they are needed, those same vehicles now have guns mounted on the back and are being used to oppress the poor starving people.
Its no joke I saw it with my own eyes we were attacked by insurgents in 4x4's emblazoned with the blue peter logo it was a surreal moment.
There should be no aid at all until the country is pacified and has a proper government in place.
The world is such a small place now the global media the internet travel are all to blame as well as greedy people who see an unstable country and exploit it and let you and me pick up the pieces via charity.
The biggest problem is the generations who buy into the whole consumerism thing inflating value of items because they are trendy despite being the exact same quality of a cheap item just a name being the difference.
There are things that really need to be genuine but there are also things that are way overpriced just to keep some tosser on his yacht but if people are happy to support a knobheads lifestyle then more fool them.

mercutio · Post by **mercutio** » Sun Nov 30, 2014 4:20 pm

Sunday rant over

Post by **lewd lude lover** » Sun Nov 30, 2014 5:44 pm

Nuff to say phil that your viewpoint is totally valid but only to a point after that it falls down flat. The systems that control your life are not set up for you to take advantage of. They are specifically set up to make sure you stay where you are in life and to syphon off the wealth you produce to line the pockets of people much further up the chain. International economics is a Ponzi scheme.

Fractional reserve banking being just the tip of the iceberg. You think housing market crashes and inflation are side effects of a mature economy. That poverty and riches are a human nature thing, that in the past people were always the same. Well you are wrong my friend. Never in human history have we suffered an oligarch of such brutal craven greed and it takes only a few days research to discover this. Every other major civilisation in history had a debt reset for one. Every single one. When public debt got too big the king/ruler would just rip up all the notes and start again. This was standard practice across the planet until you get to the current situation. A situation so ingrained in you now that the idea of a society quashing all debt is strange, even ridiculous to you. Something you cant even conceptualise.

There is no charity in the way you imagine it to be. Just the movement of resource to provide the illusion of scarcity.
Through the contrived illusion of worldwide scarcity and the generated fear attached to this contrived reality we are controlled and forced into situational slavery.
I intend to do what I can to escape this fate thanks. Buying into the cultural void that is the world created by people with little to no interest in how they are controlled is not for me.

Just for info the average price of a slave over human history was £40,000 untill about 60 years ago. Now its £40.
There are more slaves alive right now than in any other time in human history. Actual work in the fields or be whipped to death slaves, not just you and me wage slaves.
The wealth gap is growing internationally and it is being forced open by direct lobbying and direct law making.
Poverty is being criminalised in many western nations (spikes on sleeping areas, arresting people for feeding homeless etc)
And mortgage payments will rocket in the next 18 months out of nowhere. So much so you may loose your house for no fault of your own.
Thanks but you are welcome to your new world of plenty for all. It is a paper tiger and it is hungry.

Sunday rant open to addition

YouTube · Post by **Sailor** » Sun Nov 30, 2014 5:50 pm

And it's still difficult to get SORNed 7.5 tonner moved across the country.