Car going to be written off help

Post by **NafemanNathan** » Thu Apr 02, 2015 10:11 am

newkid wrote:Cat B! According to those who assessed it the inner arch is crushed as well near the suspension top mount.

4thgenphil wrote:How the hell was a shock mount and an inner arch bent? Was it the hulk, godzilla maybe or perhaps kingkongs?

I'm starting to think there's a little corruption going on here. I was told the same with my 3rd gen, that there was unrepairable damage to the rear shock tower. Mine was believeable as my rear quarter had been hit, although it was a side scrape, but yours?!... Ok, it's possible the inner arch is bent if the guy is a mammoth, but top shock mount?!... No chance! Not unless it was already damaged.

If I were you bud, I'd be in there for a surprise visit asking to see the evidence!

Post by **lewd lude lover** » Thu Apr 02, 2015 11:25 am

NafemanNathan wrote:
newkid wrote:Cat B! According to those who assessed it the inner arch is crushed as well near the suspension top mount.
4thgenphil wrote:How the hell was a shock mount and an inner arch bent? Was it the hulk, godzilla maybe or perhaps kingkongs?
I'm starting to think there's a little corruption going on here. I was told the same with my 3rd gen, that there was unrepairable damage to the rear shock tower. Mine was believeable as my rear quarter had been hit, although it was a side scrape, but yours?!... Ok, it's possible the inner arch is bent if the guy is a mammoth, but top shock mount?!... No chance! Not unless it was already damaged.

If I were you bud, I'd be in there for a surprise visit asking to see the evidence!

I feel it worth pointing out that this preception of events and their actuality have skewed somewhat from available data. I would say the shock mount is fine and dandy, it'll be the inner arch is bent within a prescribed area. Very much like an mot fail on rust.

Maybe newkid could enlighten us?

Post by **NafemanNathan** » Thu Apr 02, 2015 11:30 am

Ah yes. Come on Phil, read it properly!

Post by **4thgenphil** » Thu Apr 02, 2015 11:34 am

and this is why i think the ginga ninja is a prick

89 UKDM BA4 4WS (resto job!) · Post by **wurlycorner** » Thu Apr 02, 2015 12:07 pm

newkid wrote:Cat B! According to those who assessed it the inner arch is crushed as well near the suspension top mount.

Err, absolutely no chance of that. Seriously, none whatsoever.
Where that outer arch is bent there's a big void behind to the inner arch and the outer arch is not bent badly at all.

Look at the gap between the outer and inner panels where yours is bent;

Now tell me how that outer panel has contacted the inner panel in order to bend it (and incidentally, the outer inner arch at that point is non structural anyway - all the load is taken straight down the inner part of the inner arch).

Tell them you want an independent inspection.

Post by **NafemanNathan** » Thu Apr 02, 2015 12:09 pm

wurlycorner wrote:Tell them you want an independent inspection.

Before they put a bend in it themselves

Post by **newkid** » Thu Apr 02, 2015 12:31 pm

I'm waiting to see what they offer but I did tell her on the phone that I won't accept less than £1000 as that's what a good condition 2.0 seems to go for and some of them don't even have the motegi kit on them, she didn't seem to amused but I'm sticking to my guns on this one.

Post by **lewd lude lover** » Thu Apr 02, 2015 12:40 pm

soon as you bombard them with ludes for sale in the same condition as yours they have to stump up.

I got 7 importers quotes and three type S for sale at the time I was searching to prove price last time. Gave them so much data supporting my price point they couldn't do much but pay up.

@phil:

Wurly is right though. you can fit whole bedroom pillows down inside the gap between the inner and outer skin. I know because I have (best sounddeadening you'll get for free is old pillows)

Post by **Donald** » Thu Apr 02, 2015 12:51 pm

Is anyone forgetting that the inner arch and outer arch are connected?

My 4x4 inflicted dent is around the same size as newkid's, perhaps smaller. Inner arch absolutely shat itself, granted it was rusty so the join point was the obvious part to give way. I could well believe if the car was in good nick, i.e. rust-free arches, the impact energy would easily travel. There's probably a lot you can't see in the pics, I'd bet if you looked carefully along the side you'll see it bulge out further towards the back of the car. I do doubt the impact was enough to affect the shock tower though, or any region close.

89 UKDM BA4 4WS (resto job!) · Post by **wurlycorner** » Thu Apr 02, 2015 1:57 pm

They only point they're connected is at the lip. There's bugger-all damage at the lip on newkids car, all the damage is above that, in the hollow, so there will be bugger all damage to the inner wing as a result.

Also, as I said, the outer part of the inner arch is entirely NON structural. Any bend there is utterly irellevant.
The join between the inner and outer arch at that lip is literally a few quite widely spaced out spot welds on the thin skins, to stop them rattling about. If that join mattered how would a rusty 4g/5g pass an MOT?!

drokk, when my 4th gen got scraped all down the side, the bend on the rear wing lip was way worse than that and it was only declared Cat D.

Cat B means that the car is substantially damaged and cannot be put back on the road, but can be used for parts (Cat A is must be crushed) - That is to say that it's been structurally damaged so badly that it cannot be safely repaired, it has nothing to do with the value of the repair versus the value of the car.
If a car with such light damage as that is supposedly beyond structurally possible to repair, then no car would ever get repaired!