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HELP!! 4th gen not starting. She's running!!!

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HELP!! 4th gen not starting. She's running!!!

Post by JEBB4 » Mon Feb 15, 2016 9:40 am

Rights guys, my 95 4TH GEN BB4 has been sat for nearly 8 months and as you might expect the battery has gone flat...

I'm in Australia but I've got a good mate back home who has tried a jump pack on it but it won't go..

It's got all the headlights and everything but no dash lights at all, no digi gauges and it's not even trying to turn over like not even a click from the starter :? ..

I'm sure I read somewhere about a main fuse that blows but this was ages ago...

If anyone has had this and knows what it is please help as I need to get it running asap..

Any help greatly appreciated :|
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Post by NafemanNathan » Mon Feb 15, 2016 10:06 am

The mains relay is the black relay at the top of all the relays in the driver's foot well.

Normally the solders crack and loose connectivity caused by constant heating and cooling. Where has the car been stored and was this ever an issue before you parked it up?

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Post by JEBB4 » Mon Feb 15, 2016 10:25 am

Ok I'll get him to have a check of them..
Nope, never had any issues with it not starting ever, Evan after the engine was out for a month... But the battery was of the vehicle so I take it something must have had a slight residual voltage draw as it's been left connected for the past 8 months I think :facepalm: ..

She has got a button on the key which has never worked or done anything I could see at least.. Is there any sort of reset procedure for the immobiliser??
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Post by wurlycorner » Mon Feb 15, 2016 11:38 am

NafemanNathan wrote:The mains relay is the black relay at the top of all the relays in the driver's foot well.

Normally the solders crack and loose connectivity caused by constant heating and cooling. Where has the car been stored and was this ever an issue before you parked it up?
Main relay only provides electrical feed to the fuel pump (and signal feedback loop signal to the ECU) though, nothing else.

The dash display is fed from fuses 32, 33 in the engine bay fuse box, ignition switch (IG1 position), then fuses 13 and 19 (without airbags) or 13 and 23 (with airbags) in the internal fuse box.

If all those fuses are ok and you have sufficient battery power, then either your ignition switch is faulty, or one (or more of) the various earths are faulty.

Given the car has been stood, I would be tempted to go through all the earths as the most likely cause. There are several. Probably worth starting with the ones in the engine bay. All the main ones connected from the engine to the battery and then the additional ones scattered around the bay (normally white plastic things that look like half of a multi-plug, screwed to the side of the chassis near to the headlights)

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If your car has an aftermarket immobiliser, then it obviously adds potential extra complication. IME they are usually the first suspect, but very rarely actually the cause... Difficult to test though, so normally the only way to be sure is to rip the whole alarm system out :lol:

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Post by wurlycorner » Mon Feb 15, 2016 11:46 am

Starting system btw (as in to get the starter motor to turn over) is even more simple;

Battery, fuses 32 and 33 in the under bonnet fuse box, ignition switch (ST position), starter motor solenoid (on the starter motor) and that's it. Then there is the direct feed from the battery to the other side of the starter motor (which is what the solenoid switches)

Earth path from the starter solenoid/motor is via the engine and the engine bay earth straps.
Not at all connected with the dashboard gauges, except the first 2 fuses (32/33). If they're ok, then you have 2 different problems.

For the starter problem, go through the main earth straps in the engine bay and if they're ok, give the starter motor a couple of good strong wacks with a big heavy spanner (yes, seriously - damp and standing still makes the solenoid and brushes stick and can cause poor contact on the brushes just through the damp/dirt).

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Post by wurlycorner » Mon Feb 15, 2016 11:52 am

Headlights are also fed off fuse 32, so if the headlights are working, it rules that one out as being blown :D
Could still be fuse 33.
If it's blown, it's probably because of a poor earth dragging the voltage down (and hence current up) so still go through the engine bay earths.

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Post by JEBB4 » Mon Feb 15, 2016 12:25 pm

Nice one Wurly :D

I'll get him checking fuses and earths next in that case..
It hasn't got an aftermarket alarm on it but I know the trouble they cause and I had to rip a Clifford system out my CRX and re wire it :x

I found something on "preludepower" about taking the key out, disconnecting battery, then put key in turning ignition on, then reconnecting battery with it on...but I think that was a 5th gen :|

such a pain not being there to actually fix it myself though
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Post by Drax » Mon Feb 15, 2016 12:29 pm

i have a spare battery and main relay if required Josh ;)
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Post by JEBB4 » Mon Feb 15, 2016 8:30 pm

Cheers mate, I will see what he comes back with today..
P.M me price on battery? I take it it's in good working order :P
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Post by Drax » Tue Feb 16, 2016 9:30 am

JEBB4 wrote:Cheers mate, I will see what he comes back with today..
P.M me price on battery? I take it it's in good working order :P
sorry for the confusion, i meant spare as in to borrow short term - ill need it back as its the one from my lude :lol:
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