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Post by Donald » Mon May 27, 2013 3:34 pm

I've just got back in from cutting the bush to bits :lol: chucked the branch with the cords back over the fence, cup of tea, now we wait. I did have a goosey gander and it seems that the ivy growing up from their side has facked it. Some roots and jobby are going into the ground right by the post where the problem is so I think the ground has just gone to jobby.

I already have a dog and I didn't even think of that :facepalm: then again it is getting on a bit and only moves for food and post.

It's that time of year where most of the students body lemonade off now though. Wifey's finished with uni til October and some friends I have at UEA finished last week so I guess them nextdoors may be going or at least their lease will probably be up for revision or something.

I will keep you all updated since you seem interested :? :pop:

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Post by wurlycorner » Tue May 28, 2013 3:53 pm

The plans for my house clearly mark which boundary I'm responsible for.
This is an ex-council house too, I guess perhaps when they did their big sell off they did divy stuff properly, or perhaps it was all well documented to avoid any problem under the original leases?

Anyway, the left hand boundary (as you look at the house) is the one that happens to be mine.

Interestingly ( :? ) though, there was a line of conifer hedge down the boundary in the back garden, on the neighbours side of said boundary (the original green chain link/concrete post fence is still there and obviously delineates the boundary). My neighbours always used to come round and cut it on my side too as a result of it being their hedge (nb: they always asked permission first). This was nice of them and perhaps correct, but in my case it would have been unnecessary (I'd have done it myself).

Now, they had also erected a fence in the front garden (this part happens to be a drive now) at some point before I bought the house. This is clearly 'on' the boundary, replacing the original chain link fence. As it's 'on' the boundary and this is shown on the plans as being my boundary, then it is actually 'my' fence to maintain as far as I'm concerned. However, when it started to get a bit manky, they completely replaced it :D

(They've since moved/sold the house so all that luck has run out :( )


Very annoyingly, the people I bought this place off had erected their own fence on the other side (right hand) boundary that is not mine. They've placed that inside the original boundary (i.e. the green chain link fence is behind it) so although this is not my boundary, it's clearly on my land so is my fence to maintain. And yep, the bloody thing has started falling down this year :roll:
I might just rip it down and hope the neighbours on that side are privacy freaks and respond by putting up a new one on their side :D





Oh and I'll just :clap: myself for making a more :yawn: post than Donald managed in his original one - however, it adds to the interesting facts uncovered during the debate...

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Post by Kawa » Tue May 28, 2013 4:05 pm

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Post by NafemanNathan » Tue May 28, 2013 4:29 pm

wurlycorner wrote:I might just rip it down and hope the neighbours on that side are privacy freaks and respond by putting up a new one on their side :D
I was going to suggest that ;-)

I've got a potential issue that I'm waiting for an inspector to come and assess...

As you may know, I've been granted planning permission for a rear extension recently. The plans are for a full width extension, so the external right hand wall will go right up to the boundary (which is also my boundary). However, a previous owner of either one of our homes has erected a fence inside my boundary line (about a foot inside). I've never had an issue with it, as for one it's a tidy fence with concrete posts, and two I have more than enough land. But, if I don't claim back "my land" it will cause an issue with building the cavity wall on that side, as at the moment if we build directly up against the current fence line the soil pipe exit from my bathroom will be in the way.

If I'm able to build right up against where I should be entitled too, I can enclose the entire soil pipe within the roof space of the extension and then run the pipe across the length of the extension roof and out the other side, which has always been the plan.

Now my neighbour is absolutely fine with me claiming back the land, and I would do, but their soil pipe comes out of their bathroom and then drops down literally just the other side of the fence. (The downpipe is just about on my side of the "what should be" dividing line). So their downpipe would need to be relocated. (You can see in their brickwork that the exit from the house has been shifted closer to my side, and then where the downpipe enters the ground it actually dog-legs back again. Again, my neighbour would be fine with me fronting the cost of relocating their soilpipe (It'd require the exit from the house being switched to the opposite direction), but unfortunately it's actually a council property, so they have no say in the matter.

I've looked up the rules of encrouchment, and it's supposedly 12 years before anyone can claim someone elses land as their own (They have to have either been using the land or in this case put up a boundary around it), but what I don't know firstly is whether they have to then actually put in an official claim for it, before it is officially deemed rightfully theirs, and also I don't actually know when that fence was put up. I'm sure the housing agency will however as the downpipe on their side was obviously put in since the fence was put up, and I'm sure they're bound to have a record of when this work was carried out.

All I have on my side is a 1958 plan of where the boundary should be and it is a literal continuation of the divide of the two houses. The houses being semi-detached are symmetrically identical, so it's quite literally a case of the boundary should be exactly halfway between, but my worry is that the housing agency will come back to me with "Well you bought the property like that... That's how it's staying" :?

And that's my efforts at boring you to death ;-)

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Post by wurlycorner » Tue May 28, 2013 5:50 pm

I'd be amazed if there's anyone at the housing association that knows any of the detail to the boundary, or gives a toss!

I can't image they'd be at all interested in such a minor loss of land and wouldn't put the time in to trying to make any claim onto that land (it has no value to them).

My guess is the only thing they'll be interested in is the integrity of their building and disruption to their tenant, so they'd want to understand exactly what works will be undertaken, by whom, when and want to approve all that and confirm with their tenant (probably in writing) that they're ok with the disruption. Anything beyond that really isn't worth their time (£)?

Did they put in any response to the planning application?

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Post by NafemanNathan » Tue May 28, 2013 10:47 pm

No, no response to any of the three planning applications. I guess when you put it like that it sounds unlikely that they would have any real issue with it, and as I said I'd be happy to front the cost even, but I still worry as it is an issue that could cause havoc if they refuse.

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Post by Donald » Tue May 28, 2013 11:01 pm

But can they refuse?

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Post by jjmartin349571 » Tue May 28, 2013 11:02 pm

If they're anything like the housing association my girlfriend works for then they should be keeping track of all planning applications in the areas surrounding their properties. Laura has to keep tabs of anything that gets proposed that may affect existing sites she administers or current/upcoming projects she's managing, so I'd have expected the housing association would have raised any objections they had (if any) by now. I can't say it's the same for every organisation, but if they're competent then they should already be well aware of your planning application!

Like you say, the tenant is fine and you're footing the cost, and the housing association should be aware of your plans. Sounds like it should be ok mate :)

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Post by Sailor » Tue May 28, 2013 11:59 pm

Try sending the Housing Association a copy of the plans, highlighting the issue they have with their pipework and asking them what they want to do with it.
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Post by NafemanNathan » Wed May 29, 2013 8:39 am

Sailor wrote:Try sending the Housing Association a copy of the plans, highlighting the issue they have with their pipework and asking them what they want to do with it.
Well I'm supposed to be receiving a call from their inspector who will want to see the site/issue, so I simply planned on showing him my plans and the 1958 aerial plan when he arrived. It was last week I spoke to someone though, so I'll call them again at lunch time.

Can I ask what agency your girlfriend works for @jjmartin349571?

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